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Posted By Doug Baldwin on 2/3/2010 at 4:28:12 PM
 

Are any of these chelants : ethylene glycol, propylene glycol and mineral oil ?
 
The MSDS does not give this information
 
How is the best way to find out if a chemical is a chelant
 
Will these three chemicals affect metal precipitation and ion exchange using purolite s930? The ratio would be lets say 5 gallons ethylene glycol and 2000 gal waterto be treated for heavey metal removeal
 
Thanks for any help
 
Doug
 


Responses:

RE: Chelants and IX: Gary Schreiber, CWS VI: 2/3/2010 11:25:40 PM
None of those are chelants.  Ethylene Glycol and Propylene Glycol (anti-freezes) are corrosion inhibitors.  Mineral oil is a non-ionic petroleum based product.

For the anti-freezes S930 would not be the choice.  Some use one of the following deminerializer configurations:

1.  Cation (SAC) and Anion (SBA) resins.
2.  Cation (SAC) and Anion (WBA) resins.
3.  Mixed Bed DI resin.

If the mineral oil contains metals then those same demin choices could be used, although I know of no one doing that.




RE: Chelants and IX: Doug Baldwin: 2/4/2010 7:03:31 AM
Thank you Gary.
 
Doug

RE: Chelants and IX: Taoward Lee: 2/4/2010 3:22:42 PM
Oil in general are detrimental to IX resins. If the resin is coated with oil, the can be ruined.  Oil saturated resin must be cleaned to restore proper function.
 
Oil should be removed before any IX proces.
 
If IX is used to remove heavy metals without removing other cations and anions, a chelating resin like S930 is reasonable and preferable to any standard resin (eg. SAC).  Especially, if the HEAVY metals are in water containing a lot of hardness. 
 
Here is the Wikipedia definition of mineral oil:

Mineral oil or liquid petroleum is a by-product in the distillation of petroleum to produce gasoline and other petroleum based products from crude oil. It is a transparent, colorless oil composed mainly of alkanes (typically 15 to 40 carbons) and cyclic paraffins, related to petroleum jelly (also known as "white petrolatum"). It has a density of around 0.8 g/cm3.[1] Mineral oil is a substance of relatively low value, and it is produced in very large quantities. Mineral oil is available in light and heavy grades, and can often be found in drug stores.


RE: Chelants and IX: Doug Baldwin: 2/4/2010 4:26:35 PM
Thank you  Taoward Lee for your help
 
Doug
 
 

RE: Chelants and IX: Tanya Lubner: 2/5/2010 12:37:33 PM
Doug,
 
While I'd normally recommend the Merck Index for looking up information on what a chemical is, how it's used, and its properties, to get access to the book you'd need visit a science library (local college/university will have one) or purchase it.
 
Wikipedia is a surprisingly good source of chemical information on-line. When a substance is a chelate or chelating agent, it will tell you in the description. E.g. the listing on EDTA, a well-known chelate, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDTA.
 
Tanya

RE: Chelants and IX: Taoward Lee: 2/5/2010 2:09:30 PM
Doug,
 
Are you still having problems with your chelating resin situation you had back in December?
 

Taoward Lee
Ecosystems, Inc.
Costa Mesa, CA 92627


RE: Chelants and IX: Doug Baldwin: 2/12/2010 2:28:49 PM
I am not having anymore problems with the IX. The copper and other metals level after going thru the IX is meeting our discharge parameters.
 
The POTW is happy, the plant manager is happy so I get to be happy
 
The mineral oil and ethylene glycol would have been two new additions to the waste stream.
 
Thanks Lee, Gary and Tanya

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