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Posted By scott curley on 3/18/2010 at 3:00:52 PM
 

I received an email and brochure from Ecosmarte.com saying that 9 million homes and 83 cities in California were banning water softeners on March 19 2010. Anyone else receive this? Of course now they are sending out mass emails correcting this. This is my problem with the "salt-free" industry. They do not seem to be interested in fixing water problems, just making money on this "ban." The "salt-free' industry is using the "ban" tactic in all marketing right now trying to scare consumers away from ion exchange and into their products. 

CORRECTION

            On February 15, 2010, ECOsmarte distributed an email under the subject heading ?9 Million Homes SALT BAN.?  There were statements in the email that were incorrect and potentially misleading to recipients of the message.  The email suggested that the 83 cities and/or municipalities located in Orange, Riverside, and San Bernardino Counties that were indentified in the email will ban the use of all regenerating water softeners as of March 19, 2010.  That statement is incorrect.

            On March 19, 2010, the Santa Ana Regional Water Quality Control Board is conducting a public hearing.  The Board is conducting a hearing to consider whether to make a finding that the control of residential salinity input will contribute to the achievement of water quality objectives.  Under the California Water Code section 13148, this hearing is simply the first of several steps required before any local agency may take action to control salinity input from residential self-regenerating water softeners.

            A local agency may not adopt an ordinance or resolution controlling the use of water softeners unless and until the Board makes the required finding.  If the Board does not make the finding, then the local agencies/municipalities may not take any action.  If the Board does make the finding, the local agency must first schedule a public hearing to consider an ordinance or resolution.  The local agency cannot adopt an ordinance or resolution until at least 30 days following the public hearing.  Additionally, an ordinance or resolution does not become effective until 30 days after from the date of adoption.  Even if a local agency decides to adopt an ordinance or resolution, there are a variety of options available short of a complete ban on water softeners.

            We apologize for any confusion.



Responses:

RE: Correction of Softener Ban: scott curley: 3/18/2010 3:07:10 PM

WE NOW HAVE CITIES AND DATES

THE POLITICS ARE OVER

The cities and municipalities that fall within the jurisdiction of the Santa Ana Regional Water Quality Control Board

are listed by county below and will put the ban on regenerating water softeners in effect March 19, 2010


RE: Correction of Softener Ban: Gary Lindsey: 3/18/2010 5:45:25 PM
I HAVE RECEIVED SIMILAR TRANSMISSIONS VIA FAX. AT POINTS IT WAS RELENTLESS. I FINALLY TELEPHONED THE COMPANY TO HEAR THE STORY. THE REP HAD TO ADMIT HIS PRODUCTS DIDN'T FIT EVERY SITUATION. BEYOND THAT IT WAS HIGH DOLLAR PITCH.

GARY L. LINDSEY
CWS VI CI

RE: Correction of Softener Ban: Gary Schreiber, CWS VI: 3/18/2010 7:25:23 PM
I continue to have a hard time with this type of company using tactics like this.  Consumers are easy targets for them.  Whatever California does DOES NOT HAVE TO AFFECT everywhere else in the USA and the world.  What may be good for California by whatever bans are put in place is not necessarily good for the rest of the world.  California's problem is that they reuse their waste water to irrigate their agricultural products.  We all know there are very few areas in the USA that do that. 

I also heard on the news today that Kraft foods is reducing the amount of sodium in their food products.  I wonder if that is due to the California goings on.  Sodium is not a causer of heart or high blood pressure problems as I understand it.  It is more a problem for those who have existing heart or high blood pressure problems. 

We see areas in the USA that are following California's plan.  Most of those area's sodium and chloride  problems are more related to the salt that is used for deicing in the winter and even then so what.  Those areas don't reuse their waste water. 

Maybe instead of a protective wall between Mexico and the USA we should build a wall  around California.  There I go again ........

RE: Correction of Softener Ban: Rex Johnson: 3/19/2010 7:53:13 AM
At a time when water shortages are becoming more and more real I think it is a good idea to re-use as much waste water as possible.
 
Here in Florida, a place that gets lots of rain, we see some counties pumping more water from the aquifer than is replenished. They have been forced to build expensive R.O. plants to provide sufficient water. They have suffered from salt water intrusion. They have pumped water from other counties and have lowered lakes, rivers and streams by their consumption. We have so altered our ecosystem that many of the places which used to filter and refresh our water supplies have been destroyed.
 
A look at the once majestic Everglades should convince every one that water conservation is of the utmost importance.
 
 
Cordially
 
 
Rex Johnson

RE: Correction of Softener Ban: Scott Sanderson: 3/19/2010 8:43:26 AM
Rex,
 
I couldn't agree with you more! Very good point.
 
Best regards,
Scott A. Sanderson, Sr.

RE: Correction of Softener Ban: Lawrence Jessup: 3/19/2010 9:45:57 AM
Rex;
 
Here in Florida we also have a large agriculture base that requires more water than is supplied via rainfall. We also get most of the water from aquafiers that come from Georgia and Alabama. Very little of our rainfall ever makes it to the aquafier because of the dense confining layers.
I agree that conservation is important to reduce the demands on the water use, but even with conservation we need alternate resourse such as reuse and RO to meet the demand. Florida sees 1000 new residents per week, and uses 6.7 billion gallons per day. One way to help do this is for Utilities to treat water to only the levels required for potable use and no treat for

aesthetics such as hardness and high purity. POE and POU equipment subsequently provide this service. Do we need to start developing better ways to reduce the waste from these too? Absolutely, but to ban them seems extreme.


RE: Correction of Softener Ban: Rex Johnson: 3/21/2010 12:54:06 PM
Laurence
 
Thanks for your reply.
 
"Here in Florida we also have a large agriculture base that requires more water than is supplied via rainfall. We also get most of the water from aquafiers that come from Georgia and Alabama. Very little of our rainfall ever makes it to the aquafier because of the dense confining layers."
 
I understand what you are saying but I don't think I agree.
 
In a very well written book "Mirage", Cynthia Barnett, (a Gainesville native) published a pie chart taken from the U.S.G.S.  Agriculture takes 48% of that 8 bil gallons, 30% public supply, Power generation 8%, industrial 7%, golf courses 5%, and private wells 2%. Also in the same book I quote
 
"In Florida, where the primary source of freshwater is groundwater recharged by rainfall, most of the rain falls in the north of the state while most people live in the south. The hydrologic line, running just above Orlando, is where 44% of our rain falls and is where 78% of the people live. Neither surface water, nor ground water crosses this line manking south Florida wholly dependant on rainfall."
Florida Waters, writtten by F.S.U. professor Purdum. This state gets 150 billion gallons of rain each day and another 26 billion gallons a day from rivers flowing from Georgia and Alabama. We lose 107 billion gallons a day from evaporation, 66 billion gallons a day flow to the sea. Losses now outweigh gains by 5.2 billion gallons a day. Ibid.
 
In the Gainesville area, and to the West, I understand the geography to be considered Karst sensitive. Many sinkholes, many direct connections tothe aquifer directly from the surface. In many of these areas there is no confining bed of limerock. The city of Gainesville gets a vast majority of it's water from an area known as Payne's Prarie. This is fed directly from streams and creeks flowing thru the metropolitan area. Pollutants are a rising problem.
 
"I agree that conservation is important to reduce the demands on the water use, but even with conservation we need alternate resourse such as reuse and RO to meet the demand. Florida sees 1000 new residents per week, and uses 6.7 billion gallons per day. "
 
Not to be overly picky here, but the state actually lost population last year. That trend will be reversed quite soon I am sure. Also, my understanding is that we pump about 8.1 billion gallons a day. But who really knows? It's a huge, unsustainable amount. Unfortunately much of that water goes to irrigate thirsty lawns. Those same lawns which are dumping pesticides, herbicides, and nitrates into our water supply. Golf courses are the worst offenders. Lake Alice, on the University of Florida campus is extremely toxic. It's full of algae blooms and fish kills. The experts have traced the main contributors of the excess nutrients to our sacred Florida Field and the many well manicured green surfaces which our outstanding sports teams practice upon.
 
"One way to help do this is for Utilities to treat water to only the levels required for potable use and no treat for
aesthetics such as hardness and high purity. POE and POU equipment subsequently provide this service. Do we need to start developing better ways to reduce the waste from these too? Absolutely, but to ban them seems extreme."
 
I have never supported a ban on softening equipment. I do support metered control valves, vortech tanks, and conservation at every turn. I do support brown water projects. I do agree that the utilities should provide us with potable water and that we, as individuals, should then take all necessary actions to make that water as clean as we choose.
 
Respectfully
 
Rex Johnson


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